tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post4761816944794628653..comments2023-07-06T07:40:26.208-04:00Comments on TRIREGNUM sensus catholicus: OPEN LETTER TO PAPA FRANCESCO FROM LUCRECIA REGO DE PLANASServusMariaeNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13963287463957393931noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-10947444263492259292014-08-20T04:24:11.779-04:002014-08-20T04:24:11.779-04:00Having read this I thought it was really informati...Having read this I thought it was really informative. I appreciate you <br />taking the time and effort to put this article together. I once again find myself personally spending way too much time <br />both reading and commenting. 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Honestly, you should simply say "I am ultraconservative, and I don't like you, Papa Francesco" instead of "I am a normal catholic and Papa Francesco goes against the Church and God".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-57221591559891373522013-10-31T14:57:42.048-04:002013-10-31T14:57:42.048-04:00To not allow for apparitions whatsoever seems some...To not allow for apparitions whatsoever seems somewhat silly. Are we supposed to throw all logic out the window? How many people witnessed Our Lady of Fatima? I think it was 50 - 75k. Obviously she had a message worth mentioning!!! It would be prudent to somehow put it into the assessment of the times we live in.<br /><br />Our church is in big trouble these days. And those apparitions explain a great deal of it.<br /><br />I'll give one example of how I see the easy going concept of the church potentially allowing us to take the wrong path. Taking the Holy Eucharist while in mortal sin is yet another mortal sin. So in other words, it will send you to Hell. Don't you think the lineups to confession should be a little longer? <br /><br />If I was a priest, and I witnessed 80% or more of the congregation receiving Holy Eucharist, I would apply some laws of probability. I would feel compelled to preach about receiving the Eucharist while in grave sin.<br /><br />I also understand the priests perspective where he doesn't want to appear to condemning. So there is this balance between conformance and standing up for the rules. This all flows from the spirit of Vatican 2.<br /><br />The mass is to selebrate Jesus dying on the cross for our sins. That's it.<br /><br />Mother Theresa of Calcuta was a prefect example of charity for the church. Sure she took care of the fleshly needs, meerly as a tool for conversion.<br /><br />In contrast, the Popes agenda seems to have more of a social justice theme. Which is an extremely dangerous spiritual path.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-60050977104180759372013-10-31T14:01:08.704-04:002013-10-31T14:01:08.704-04:00http://blog.steveskojec.com/2013/10/03/so-apparent...http://blog.steveskojec.com/2013/10/03/so-apparently-im-a-rigorist/<br /><br />Something all Catholics should read on this subject Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-49720804657833241502013-10-31T12:16:30.340-04:002013-10-31T12:16:30.340-04:00I follow my Church, the One ,Holy Catholic and Apo...I follow my Church, the One ,Holy Catholic and Apostolic, centuries of Tradition and defined Dogmas . I do not follow apparitions and I do not think that unapproved apparitions should be promoted or used as basis for any judgement. <br />Now with regard to the author and content of the open letter to Pope Francis, this lady has put into words what I have been unable to express regarding the very public comments of our Holy Father and his very public rejection of papal insignia, accomodation etc , something wich delighted the anti-catholic sectors in the media and many socially liberl lobby groups.This lady is not revealing anything in public that Pope Francis has not already done himself.He instigated the interviews that have given rise to such scandal and confusion in ordinary (humble ) catholics . It certainly has made the public opposition to abortion and homosexual activity more difficult and has silenced ordinary faithful catholics in case they are to be denounced as legalistic. I once saw humilty defined as ordinariness , invisibility . It certainly would not be attributed to anyone singing I will do it my way a la Frank Sinatra. The author has written this letter in a very charitable way , appreciating all that the Holy Father has spoken on in encouraging people and appealing to him to look at the sadness in the hearts of catholics who love and pray for him as the Vicar of Christ .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-73732840977476500512013-10-31T08:49:18.940-04:002013-10-31T08:49:18.940-04:00The lady is correct with so many of her points. I...The lady is correct with so many of her points. I see it as a cry for help, and also as a wake-up call to those blindly following the Pope.<br /><br />LaSalette, Fatima, as well as Garibendal, and Medjugorje, all point to corruption in the church.<br /><br />The signs are all around us! Pope Francis is serving a critical roll in fulfilling the book of Revelations, Daniel, etc.<br /><br />Alas, nobody wants to hear that. So go ahead Fr.Klos, keep beating up others, and not addressing their points in your blind defense of the church. You are a shepheard with more responsibility regarding peopels salvation. I would walk very carefully if I was in your shoes.<br />All these points this lady is talking about are very valid points. So many priests are blindly defending the pope. Look at the apparitions, the signs, and wake up!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-91150455387453393302013-10-31T00:54:49.117-04:002013-10-31T00:54:49.117-04:00There is a certain irony to a priest publicly post...There is a certain irony to a priest publicly posting a rebuke towards a woman who publicly rebuked a Pope for his public actions and the priest complains about the public nature of the rebuke. <br /><br />Public actions that scandalize demand public rebukes which require public repentance and public reparation. I doubt we'll see that kind of genuine humility. <br /><br />Handsome is as Handsome does. Whenever I go to confession, I watch how the priest behaves in the Church and in front of the tabernacle. And in every case, the one that doesn't genuflect is the weakest, the most dubious in orthodox beliefs, the worst in pastoral direction and the least concerned with spiritual realities. <br /><br />I would avoid the current Pope as a parish confessor based on his external irreverence towards God Himself. The man put a beach ball on the tabernacle and treated that with more reverence than he does the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. <br /><br />It's a pity he's Pope and can't really be given the rebuke that that type of behavior deserves in this life. So, he's got to wait till he stands before the judgement seat of God Himself to know the gravity of his unjust treatment of the Lord. Pope Stephen digging up the body of Formosus and putting it on trial wasn't as disrespectful as what we are seeing now and placidly accepting. <br /><br />Gerardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-19449193588828997082013-10-30T23:59:04.927-04:002013-10-30T23:59:04.927-04:00Seriously, if we believe Pope Francis is Orthodox,...Seriously, if we believe Pope Francis is Orthodox, we need to read PASCENDI DOMINICI GREGIS again. He expresses many of the hallmark traits of the Modernist. His chosen Cardinal in charge of his "council" openly stated that Vatican I defined modernism as a heresy, but Vatican II "ended the hostilities between the Church and modernism". How can this be? How can the Church end hostilities with the Sum of all Errors? This is not possible, unless the ones ending the hostility have themselves subscribed to the error. <br /><br />Read on the Error itself, then tell me how Orthodox the Pope is. <br />http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/pius_x/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-x_enc_19070908_pascendi-dominici-gregis_en.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-21859692390027811022013-10-30T15:10:52.847-04:002013-10-30T15:10:52.847-04:00Father, to focus on the person in the comparison a...Father, to focus on the person in the comparison and not the principle is a sign of having no argument. Arguing the principle is 1st. She is grieving, we are too. You have assumed the worst in her and the best in the Pope, and while noble, is not your mind in accord with reality. This pope has attacked good people of the traditional persuasion calling them heretics (Pelagians), while not judging homosexuals? <br /><br />“Peter has no need of our lies or flattery. Those who blindly and indiscriminately defend every decision of the supreme Pontiff are the very ones who do most to undermine the authority of the Holy See- they destroy instead of strengthening its foundations.” ~ Melchior Cano, theologian of the Council of TrentMichaelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-45713247312230894542013-10-26T17:06:40.819-04:002013-10-26T17:06:40.819-04:00Fr Klos, I was not trying to draw a direct compar...Fr Klos, I was not trying to draw a direct comparison between St Catherine of Siena & Gregory XI and Lucrecia and/or Papa Francesco. My point is that there has been (and continues to be) the tendency that a Pope is above critique. I cannot believe that any Catholic worthy of the name would make a criticism of a Pope easily. I know that I could not. I personally find much in Papa Francesco which I do find worthy of praise above all some of what you have listed. That said I believe that the Church continues on with the ambiguity and lack of clarity with which we have become accustomed in the post Conciliar times. Papa Francesco made the statement to the effect that "the church has never been doing so well " etc. I beg to differ.ServusMariaeNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13963287463957393931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-6075029703036079342013-10-26T15:13:06.416-04:002013-10-26T15:13:06.416-04:00Dear servus mariaen, I understand your comparison,...Dear servus mariaen, I understand your comparison, but I cannot see a St Catherine of Sienna in Lucrecia, nor a Gregory XI in pope Francis. Pope Francis - in my eyes - is a very marian, orthodox and humble servant of the Lord who has done already some remarkable things in the few months he is pope (f.i. the day of prayer and fasting for peace, with immediate result; the consecration of his pontificate to Our Lady of Fatima; the change of focus of the Church to the essentials, etc) and the 'rebuke' of Lucrecia is (again: in my eyes) injust, unfair and a result of a very subjective frustration. So, again, I understand your comparison but I don't think it is applicable to the letter of Lucrecia. Time will tell! Fr. Peter Klosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-9950178897101134632013-10-26T13:02:33.578-04:002013-10-26T13:02:33.578-04:00I wonder whether St Paul's rebuke of St Peter ...I wonder whether St Paul's rebuke of St Peter in Galatians or St Catherine of Siena's rebuke of Pope Gregory XI could have been public or at least known by the public? I rather like this quote from the blog 'First Things': What these examples illustrate is that there is a place for respectfully criticizing the pope. Neither St. Paul nor St. Catherine campaigned for the Church to “move past” infallible teaching. Rather, they encouraged the pope to do a better job of being pope.<br /><br />"Defending Pope Francis is admirable, but we must be careful to be accurate in what we are defending—or else we may be building another kind of “house of cards,” which, with a single bad pope, could come crashing down."ServusMariaeNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13963287463957393931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-38764740295377155442013-10-26T02:11:16.963-04:002013-10-26T02:11:16.963-04:00It is a Christian virtue not to speak bad about pe...It is a Christian virtue not to speak bad about people, even when there could be some truth in the accusations. And that is all the more important when the accusations are made public. I would have said the same when this open letter would have referred to JPII or Benedict XVI. Thinking and analyzing is good, but never forget our Christian responsibility for one another. Everybody has his weaker side but let’s be merciful, understanding, grateful for the good and responsible in the way we speak about others. FR. Peter Klosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-46620348866790317202013-10-25T19:54:52.761-04:002013-10-25T19:54:52.761-04:00when someone criticised JPII or BXVI, none was aga...when someone criticised JPII or BXVI, none was against expressing critics, now, when there is so humble and fulfilled with the Holy Spirit pope Francis, some people ask not to publish or express doubts or critics - why not to criticise??? when there are true authorities and saint people, nothing with be problematic, the truth will defend itself, Hole Spirit will make what is necessary - do not be afraid of thinking and analysing! there is reason in our faith needed!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-3388394018117635262013-10-25T19:48:05.740-04:002013-10-25T19:48:05.740-04:00yes, when there are serious arguments and doubts e...yes, when there are serious arguments and doubts expressed, it is too long to comment...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-8915429245113944102013-10-25T15:28:56.703-04:002013-10-25T15:28:56.703-04:00Sorry if I gave the impression that I think that L...Sorry if I gave the impression that I think that Lucrecia has to 'shut up and take it'. I just don't see the benefit of publishing this 'cry for help' on internet. I think Lucrecia misjudges the intentions of pope Francis ('he only wants to be loved by everyone'), and that she is doing great injustice to him. His life (not only since he became pope) is an impressive testimony of humility and love. Of course she has every right to make her own judgments, but why publishing this on internet? Her 'despair' won't reduce when she publicly accuses pope Francis of all kind of things, and I cannot see what good it brings. Thereby are the remarks of Lucrecia often a very subjective interpretation, for instance her accusation that pope Francis has 'punished' the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate. That is quite in contrast with the statements of Fr. Manelli (the founder) himself about the affair. But as I said previous, the open letter is too long to comment. I respect fully the difficulties that Lucrecia has with pope Francis and I can understand that for someone who was so happy with pope Benedict it is not easy to accept a pope with an almost opposite character. But I think that the open letter that she wrote and published on internet will only bring negative fruits. And for the rest I hope that Lucrecia may find peace of mind and heart with our present pope. fr. Peter Klosnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-51108349596252743542013-10-25T12:26:35.188-04:002013-10-25T12:26:35.188-04:00Kneeling Catholic thanks for your comment. As I to...Kneeling Catholic thanks for your comment. As I told Father Klos, I would not presume to know the motives and/or intent of her letter. I too believe that she is making a cry for help. I would never presume to make a call regarding her humility or lack thereof. Papalotry is not Catholic.<br /><br /> Dr. William Marra On papalotry:<br /><br /> "There is a kind of papalotry going around.<br /><br />It acts as if no matter what comes out of Rome, it must have been inspired by the Holy Ghost."ServusMariaeNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13963287463957393931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-33873429607719283842013-10-24T21:30:57.068-04:002013-10-24T21:30:57.068-04:00Thanks for posting this. I'm putting you on m...Thanks for posting this. I'm putting you on my 'blog roll'!<br /><br />I think Father Peter's 'shut up and take it!' illustrates the irony of the humility contest the Holy Father has ignited. Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the most humble of them all?<br /><br />Mrs. Rego's letter is a desperate cry for help. Father ignores that. When someone is drowning, the last thing they worry about is whether other people think they are humble, or dignified or even wise.Kneeling Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16797815971446807261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-22810874110582412512013-10-24T13:00:22.172-04:002013-10-24T13:00:22.172-04:00Fr Klos,
Thank you for your comment. I shall not ...Fr Klos,<br /><br />Thank you for your comment. I shall not presume to know the motives behind this woman's writing an open letter. I've since found that she is a member of the neo catholic Regnum Christi and was a supporter of Fr Maciel. I thought she made a few valid points. oremus pro invicemServusMariaeNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13963287463957393931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1441451151757308124.post-6046247401707917002013-10-24T12:33:31.142-04:002013-10-24T12:33:31.142-04:00The open letter from Lucrecia to poe Francis is to...The open letter from Lucrecia to poe Francis is too long to comment. But in general - in spite of some appreciative words - this letter is an attempt of character assassination. If she were sincere, she would not have published this letter on internet, because that serves no other goal than to arouse public indigation. I hope Lucrecia may discover what humility means. Maybe than she will understand pope Francius a bit.<br /><br />Fr. Peter Klos, Amsterdam, the Netherlands.Fr. Peter Klosnoreply@blogger.com